My husband and I, have composite Saturn 27 Pluto 28 Libra in 12th, forming a T square to our Sun 26 Cancer and Venus 19/Mercury 23 Capricorn. And 1 more thing HIS VENUS opposes my vertex and my sun, venus and mercury on his ASC conjucts his Venus! Saturn is the heaviest aspected planet in this composite, which actually reinforces the intensity of the Moon/Saturn-opposite theme from synastry. All that subconscious provoking of each other is very much a full time job and its preventing me from being successful in life and meeting a man that can offer the support i need to really fly. Im sorry, but all of the aspects you mentioned can be used as excuses to pull you back into a relationship that has ended for the other person: in particular, the trines. It isnt bad, its difficult. House position isnt as strong as the sign of the Moon. You dont want, on the whole, a composite Mars in the 12th square to Neptune, unless you are missionaries or you plan to open up a swimming pool installation company. Whatever the motive, we know we are facing some sort of extremeand a choice. Another concern is his Saturn and North node in my MC/IC and my Mercury/Mar (ruler of my 7th) in his Asc. For him, its TOO many of his own issues. Hi Evelyne. I was with him longer than Ive ever consecutively been with someone- 1 1/2 years. Regine. The Inner Wheel Recommended Astrology Reading Lists, Crucible and the Wheel: The Transiting Nodes Series. Your relationship usually starts out as a friendship or as "good friends". Sun/Uranus conjunct in the 1st. I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. The 12th house is the house of the hidden, the subconscious, spirituality, karma, and as the last house, it governs endings. They might not be opposed to using under-handed tactics in order to receive information or get what they desire. You may struggle with understanding your emotions and cannot express them in a healthy way. I like my husband as well after 20 years of marriage but I feel like I fell in this tragic love triangle story without asking for it! We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. Look at what sign the 12th house is in. Thank You so much for Your answer! ? I dont know why but i love him so much and sometimes I come up with things like dreaming of him to call me after a while he calls me. Transit Pluto in the Composite 12th House. Because of the sensitivity of house cusps, I recommend using the Koch house system . We feel that very beautiful in our life! Thank you very much for the answer. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible.! Hi Dawn, are you able to give me anymore insight or know where I might find more information about 12th house stellium in cancer planets are sun,moon,Mercury and Venus in my husband and my composite chart. This resonates with me. Reply. Dear Dawn, Thoughts on this combo would be greatly appreciated by me. Lilith in the 12th House is an unusual placement because it revolves around the dark side of your life and its unseen parts. It's time for the wave to return to the ocean. 1) Planetary house overlays (1, 5, 7, 8, 9 = most important) 2) Planetary aspects. A share a composite chart with a stellium of planets (Sun, Mercury, Uranus, and Neptune) in the 12th house with cusp on Scorpio. Felt and feels karmic, but alas, it was definitely not meant to be.for now. I have a nice syntrastry with my boyfriend (im born 8/1/1983 and he is born 10/7/1982). I was heart broken all over again. My 12 is in Leo, along with my Sun, Mercury, Mars and Pluto. My takeaway is that the two people involved would think the relationship was hidden (and something for just them) but its not really because of the nature of the Asc Conjunctions. This compo Pisces Lilith in house 12 falls on the exact degree of my natal Waldemath H58 , and she also falls on his natal antivertex. The attraction was instant. Do you think perhaps its just the heavily dominated 12th house of our composite chart thats responsible for my belief that we may be twin flames? Id appreciate any information. The Sun person sees in the 11th house person someone, who they can spend pleasant time with. The person with the most crowded 12th house in history is Ann Margret, a Swedish born actor best known for her iconic Easy Rider bike scene and starring in Viva Los Vegas alongside Elvis Presley. Everywords pounding in me. You cant really know how an aspect is going to manifest without looking at the whole chart, but it is true that conjunctions from the 12th house side are very complex. Hello, Skye. (excuse my bad English) If I did not believe in Karma or Fate now I do not have ANY DOUBT that really something runs our life from out there for good or bad Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! Mars in the 12th can mean unconscious eroticism, aggression, or desire. should i run away from this relationship? *Also in synastry- my Vesta conjunct NN in Gemini are the degree right before his Ascendant. We are both married similar age kids. Hi HGOf course, these articles cant contain every single exception, and the whole chart has to be taken into consideration. Composite Saturn is in the 1st. Thank you for your answer. I and my boyfriend have conjunction of mars-venus in twelfth house (taurus) closely conjuncting composite gemini ascendant. (I have never done anything like that with anyone else.) In our synastry my North Node/South Node axis is conjunct his MC/IC axis and his Moon conjuncts my IC. Loving and letting go, as well as maturing your love into a transcendant form of love where you are able to love so deeply that you give it the potential to annihilate you, yet you learn to let go and allow the natural changes in the state of our being has been a reoccurring theme of my life. The south node lies there on the natal composite. Thanks for taking the time to respond. i am deeply hurt but I am not angry with him. Chiron. Black Moon Lilith in 5th or 11th house in composite chart: This . I am 38 years old and have a Scorpio 12th house stellium (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, and Neptune) so I am painfully, and blissfully, intimately aware of this energy. In other words, that planetary energy might have to do with dealing with their collective, rather than personal, expression. I also have two stelliums in the 11th and 12th of my natal chart.a total of 8 planets (6 in Leo). Lilith in 12th House: 5 Key Takeaways. Our composite has a sun and north node in the 12 th house. Thank you, Tricia. Thank you in advance. But the problem with Neptune and XII house synastric connections, is that illusions seem to possess not your brain, but your flesh and soul. Thanks! Juno in the 12th means that there are unresolved issues surrounding equality in relationship and some sort of sacrifice in relationships will be necessary in order to discover that balance. Our physical connection was addicting. But my heart and mind keep telling me to fight again. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. Eventually, some of their views may clash and this can . Unfortunately, the 12th House is one of the hardest places for Lilith to be. My question is this: Does our Sun/Mercury conjunction in the 12th composite necessarily have to mean we are destined to learn a particular lesson and then part? He just wanted to keep it physical until one of us gets married with someone else. In my experience, the Davison chart reveals more of the day to day reality, and the midpoint chart reveals the inner working dynamic. Both of us are on a spiritual path, which is very important to each of us. Your generation, the one with Pluto/Uranus opposite Saturn in Virgo/Pisces, came into this life with a huge burden. But also to wound each other? Dont worry, Evelyne. Mars and Pluto certainly do about Scorpio. We also have composite Juno in Aquarius in the 4th house (opposing Mercury in the 10th and trining the Ascendant), and Venus tightly conjunct Saturn in the 11th (Leo). The higher powers are always tapping at the door, insisting on change, cleansing, and renewal from within (Pluto/Uranus in Virgo), but how do you do that if your connection to the other world and the higher powers are full of fear and resistant to the necessary dissolving that must occur (Saturn in Pisces). The lack of posturing and display of ego gives others the chance to have a "day in the sun," endearing the 12th house sun to the person they gave the chance to shine. At all. I read once if someones pluto is attached to his own north node that would mean if the person puts anything between himself and god he will loose it, because that is what Pluto teaches. Have you any thoughts or words to share on the 12th house commonalities we have individually, and what impact it lends to us as a couple? I might even say hes one of the closest people to me. Im afraid that you would need a full synastry reading in order to make sense of the situation for you and your wife. Besides, his vertex conjunct with my sun and oppose w/ my moon. How does the 12th manifest when the planet is also conjunct the Asc? I really appreciate your take on the 12th house; it definitely resonates as true, from my experience. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for.]. But there will be some crisis where they have to define their love and anchor it some useful purpose. IP: Logged. Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. This guy in my life puts Libra venus in my 12th (conjuncting my own Libra venus in 12th). IF THIS IS NOT A TRAGIC LOVE STORY THAN WHAT IS? thanks you very much Dawn to shed some lights on this! )~~~a reader with Sun in Neptune and Saturn and Mars both in 12th house. It's so "behind scenes" that it freaks me out. Happy holidays and thank you for this article. That was over three years ago. I was the Sun/Ascendant person, while he was the Lilith person. In my experience, if you have a good synastry but a difficult composite, the couple get along with one another but have problems establishing the relationship in the outside world. Im sorry to hear your story. When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. (Or so we believe, those of us who deal in astrology.) Im also sorry to say that trines arent all theyre cracked up to besometimes they just pour energy into whatever else theyre aspecting, in this case, the major square. You have a strong synastry and a strong 1st house in the composite, and of course that makes a difference. Sorry Shannon, Dawn passed away a couple of years ago. any input would be greatly appreciated!!! Youre a poet of poets. It can also mean, in this case, unconscious elements making themselves known via the Ascendant in mysterious ways. In fact, it seems we are even more a part of each others lives than ever. The 12th house is all about past life astrology, so the planets can . thank you for this article, im really having a hard time understanding the 12th house, as you concluded we all do.. and i dont know why, this last paragraph brought a tear to my eye.. because its so true, so well said. Whatever I told you would not have a context. However, humans are imperfect, and complete faith is hard to keep up all of the time. (I have my moon in Scorpio in the 12th house along with Saturn and Pluto). I am at a point where Im in limbo and ready to let go if necessary, but I am paralyzed by the confusion and inability to understand whats at the root of what led us to this point. He is my best friend but marriage to him has been so disappointing because theres not much difference between now and when I was single. i have it conjunct in our davison3rd house- and opposite in4th-10th in composite. His sun scorpio falls into my fourth house in my natal chart and mine ,cancer, falls into his 8th. However, Eros in the 12th may mean a less conscious eroticism drives the relationshipwe think we know what were doing but we may not, and may be subject to desires of all kinds. Venus (love) and Mars (sex) in the 7th House are a strong testimony as well. Natal Sun in Gemini and Venus in Cancer in the 12th, and Venus is conjunct my Cancer ASC. We met 3 months ago, and live 300 miles apart. In synastry, I have my sun, mercury, and mars in his 12th house in pisces, and his venus in my 12th house in cancer/gemini. I do all these within a synastry consulation. I met this men who i recall seeing 20 years ago once and a couple of other times within that 20 years. Youre writing is inspired. My progressed Uranus will be in my 7th house for the rest of my life. what do you think it means to have such much weight in the 1st and 12th houses? Venus is the planet of love which makes him lovable by his likable behavior and persuasive way of talking. Often, Sun/Neptune relationships just fade away or dissolve without anyone knowing why. i give it much meaning because i really feel a psychic connection and a karmic fate, but again that could be just me since i have a heavy neptune but nothing in my natal 12th. Aspects to composite planets will fill in the details. great post- thank you! WhiteLotus. The romantic nature of the past relationship is more emphasized which planets such as Venus, Mars, or Lilith in the twelfth house. Most of my relationships are like that . Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. There is a certain someone whose natal Sun is in the 12 th, his sun also receiving a natal square from his Neptune. The fellow and I have composite sun/Mercury conjunct in the 12th, making an out of sign conjunction to the ascendant. 13 . Thank you very much. . (Note that Jupiter is the natural co-ruler of the 12th, so it will behave in a Pisces-like manner, here.) Watch out for substance abuse and addictions. WhiteLotus. Greetings. You need to work on bringing body and mind together, as a couple. The Moon/Mars (Virgo) sextiles a close Sun/Jupiter (Cancer) conjunction in the 10th, sextiles Uranus (Scorpio) in the 2nd, trines Ceres (Capricorn) in the 4th, and squares Neptune (Sagittarius) in the 3rd all very close aspects. We have met up a few times since then, but our feelings for each other were immediate and are exceptionally strong even without the benefit of an active physical relationship. There are two conjunctions with ascendent as well. I retire in one year and will be living 20 miles from him. Its pretty rare. What the twelfth house demands of us always is that we give the ego a rest, but often challenges regarding the ego are exactly what we have to face with twelfth house planets. Trust me when I say that I will happily take a man i am less connected to, to allow myself the support I need to thrive in this life. Thank you for this piece it is prompting reflection. Anything different there? I am a strong 12th houser myself and it meant so much to me that we could live together and I never felt my precious solitude was infringed upon. If we do things out of fear or for security, and we dont listen to the call to step onto our proper path in life, we are serving the ego instead of the soul. Im sorry, Kyveli, but this is too complex a question to answer in the space here. my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. Transit Mercury in the Composite 12th House. The feelings I have for him, I feel, are something I just have to live with for the rest of my life. Sun and Neptune both trine Lilith, who is in Pisces AND in house 12. Lilith in 12th House Composite, Composite Lilith in 12th House You may find it challenging to express devotion and love for one another if Composite Lilith is in the 12th house. How that manifests depends on other aspects. Well, I m afraid I am precisely one of those people you talk about in the article , who experiment this weird illusion of being in telepathy with the unrequired love of their life. Much of the time, putting faith in one another brings you joy. Im sure your midpoint chart is valid if you had it read properly. And they might move next year to another town because of their son so I am already dying from the thought that I will not see him after that. Weve known each other for a decade??? You need a synastry reading to make sense of all this.